Sons of Anarchy guest star Walton Goggins on that Venus-Tig moment

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EW: What kind of moments have Venus and Tig shared off-screen, in your mind, since we last saw them together at the bus stop?
I think she’s really seen Tig quite a bit. I think it has been glasses of wine—a chardonnay or a rosé in the afternoon, with his bike kind of coming up. I think they have talked at length about their childhoods and what their respective lives are like now. I think they’ve talked about politics. I think they’ve talked about everything that two people would talk about to further their intimacy and a friendship. It was all there with the two scenes that Kurt [Sutter] had written. It was two people who had spent enough time together off-screen in order to get to a place where Tig would ask for Venus when he his hurt and he needed to be comforted, and Venus would come and tell him what she tells him. It’s not a gender thing, it’s a heart thing. When we’re understood, regardless of who were understood by, we’re understood. There’s no replacing that. It’s outside of the confines of gender.

Do a lot of Sons of Anarchy fans want to talk with you about Venus?
I’ve traveled extensively since doing Venus the first time, and I am amazed at the range of people that come up to me and want to have a conversation about her—from race to income to age. It’s a testament to how big the audience is for Sons of Anarchy, but also to what she’s done for opening that dialogue or allowing certain aspects of our society to understand that community a little better: to not be so scared of people that you really have no reason to be scared of—they’re just people—to find a place in your heart to accept them. That’s been the most rewarding thing of all of this. That’s certainly not why Kurt wanted to do this, or why I wanted to do this. I wanted to challenge myself in somebody that I’ve dreamed of playing since this audition that I had in my early twenties, and Kurt thought it was perfect for his show. As all of these things happen, it was the chemistry between Venus and the guys. It came to a place of well, what can Venus say to the audience about the people on Sons of Anarchy, about Jax and about Gemma, about all the rest of the boys. Those things just happen naturally and organically, and people open up. You saw that with Gemma and how she first responded to her. By getting to know Venus, she opened up her heart to her. I think that’s just the world over, man. When you stop being fearful, then there’s really nothing to be afraid of. [Laughs] And then let’s move on to talk about s–t that really is important.

We know Venus returns in episode 10. What can you say about that?
There is a conversation that happens that is as poetic and—I will start crying talking about it right now—as beautiful and as real as any conversation that I’ve ever read on paper between two people. What it will ultimately say about Tig, and who he is in the world, and how he deals with Venus and how she deals with him—I think you’re gonna see honesty and a vulnerability that is very rarely explored….What did you think about the video of Venus with the gentleman? [Laughs]

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