I’ve added HD captures from the newest episode of Sons of Anarchy into the gallery.
I’ve added HD captures from the newest episode of Sons of Anarchy into the gallery.
Make sure you check out Walton’s interview in full over at EW.com – It’s a wonderful and insightful read. 🙂
EW: Venus and Tig’s heart-to-heart follows Jarry and Chibs’ combative love scene. It made me realize that while I understand Jarry’s and Chibs’ motivations as characters, I don’t want to relate to their volatile relationship. And then you have Venus, who is the most singular person on the show, and yet at this point, she really is the most relatable. What did you see in that conversation between Venus and Tig?
Goggins: I’m just blown away that you said that, and I know Kurt [Sutter] would be blown away as well and very grateful for that comment. I think that there’s something about two people that are looking for love from an honest and truthful place that is extremely appealing. Vulnerability that is not trying to be used in some manipulative way is something that we’re all attracted to and that we aspire to, I think, whenever we’re able to truly let our guards down. And that’s really what that is: It’s not gender specific. It’s more than a man and a woman, or a man and a man, or a woman and a woman. It’s just about two human beings who need to be seen, and that’s what Kurt wrote. He gave both of these people the words to articulate how they feel. When I read it, I just thought I’ve never really seen honesty in that way, with what is a perceived way of life that would be unacceptable to another person. Venus is understanding of that, and in some ways, accepting of the limitations of that kind of commitment from another person. And she is graceful enough to let him out, but she was also vulnerable enough to say, “But I let myself believe in it, and I do believe in it. And I’m not a fool for allowing myself space for that emotion. I’m a better person for it.” Because she was able to say that, Tig came around. I mean, I’m gonna cry right now talking about it. It was so organic and so beautiful, and that comes from the mind and really from the heart of Kurt Sutter.
I assume it was scripted for you to not use Venus’ voice in that scene since Tig, at the end, asks to hear her lilt again. Is that the case?
That was Kurt, and that was in the stage directions. Paris Barclay directed this episode. Paris has been a friend of mine well over 18 years. He did episodes of The Shield. I did a movie for him back when I was like 23 years old called The Cherokee Kid. I did NYPD Blue with Paris. I’ve known Paris for a long time. Obviously I’ve known Kurt for a very long time. And Kim I’ve known for a while. That it was this collaboration between these people who have been in each other’s lives just made it all the sweeter. It was just about creating the space for this to happen. In that moment, Paris said, “Walton, I think you have to even go deeper without Venus’ voice.” Which was so strange for me because I don’t look at it as “Venus’ voice,” that’s just the way she talks. To think about her sounding other than how she sounds, that was hard for me. It was really difficult. It was like, okay, let’s bring it down, and then it just made it even sweeter for me. I think it made it sweeter for Kim as Tig.
When we walked into do it and rehearse it, I’d just gotten back from filming a movie in Canada. I’d been back for not even 24 hours. I got off the plane, went home and slept, woke up six hours later to start the process. By the time we got to start shooting [the conversation], it was like six o’clock at night. We’d done the other stuff beforehand, and Kim really wanted to approach the making love scene in the montage in a very certain way. He was absolutely right, and I thought that was beautiful. And then [Venus] coming out of the shower, I really talked to Tracey [Anderson], our makeup artist, about where we are in the stage—what is right and what’s not right. And we did that scene, and Paris staged it so that Venus was looking in a mirror at herself at the end. For me, all the sudden for the first time, Venus is looking at herself and judging herself. She’s looking at herself for the first time through another person’s eyes, not through her own. And what she sees is not how she sees herself. It’s something less than perfect. And that f–kin’ broke my heart.
So by the time we get to the scene, we walked in and everybody was really quiet. We sat down to rehearse it with Paris, who Kim and I trust implicitly, and it’s all right there. I turned to Paris and said, “Can you shoot this at the same time?” And Paris said, “Absolutely. That’s exactly what we’re gonna do.” Paris set it up so there was a camera on both of these people as they were going through this emotion‚ and I say “these people” in third person because I don’t believe that I was there or Kim was there—it was them. It was their relationship. And Paris just let the camera roll. He came in and tweaked us as needed, and that was it. We did it maybe three times total. It was so pure and so without ego and so not result-oriented. It was just outside of all of us: Just let these two people heal one another, and then let’s walk away. It was one of the most cathartic experiences of my life as an artist.
Courtesy of Sons of Anarchy show creator, Kurt Sutter we can expect an appearance by Walton on this week’s all-new episode of Anarchy Afterword immediately following the newest episode of Sons of Anarchy.
Don’t forget to tune in to the newest episode of Sons of Anarchy at 10PM to catch Walton as Venus Van Dam in what may be his final appearance as the show concludes when its series finale airs on December 9th.
— kurt sutter (@sutterink) November 10, 2014
I’ve added HD captures of Walton from the newest episode of Sons of Anarchy into the gallery.
You can check out Walton’s full interview over at EW.com
EW: What kind of moments have Venus and Tig shared off-screen, in your mind, since we last saw them together at the bus stop?
Goggins: I think she’s really seen Tig quite a bit. I think it has been glasses of wine—a chardonnay or a rosé in the afternoon, with his bike kind of coming up. I think they have talked at length about their childhoods and what their respective lives are like now. I think they’ve talked about politics. I think they’ve talked about everything that two people would talk about to further their intimacy and a friendship. It was all there with the two scenes that Kurt [Sutter] had written. It was two people who had spent enough time together off-screen in order to get to a place where Tig would ask for Venus when he his hurt and he needed to be comforted, and Venus would come and tell him what she tells him. It’s not a gender thing, it’s a heart thing. When we’re understood, regardless of who were understood by, we’re understood. There’s no replacing that. It’s outside of the confines of gender.
Do a lot of Sons of Anarchy fans want to talk with you about Venus?
I’ve traveled extensively since doing Venus the first time, and I am amazed at the range of people that come up to me and want to have a conversation about her—from race to income to age. It’s a testament to how big the audience is for Sons of Anarchy, but also to what she’s done for opening that dialogue or allowing certain aspects of our society to understand that community a little better: to not be so scared of people that you really have no reason to be scared of—they’re just people—to find a place in your heart to accept them. That’s been the most rewarding thing of all of this. That’s certainly not why Kurt wanted to do this, or why I wanted to do this. I wanted to challenge myself in somebody that I’ve dreamed of playing since this audition that I had in my early twenties, and Kurt thought it was perfect for his show. As all of these things happen, it was the chemistry between Venus and the guys. It came to a place of well, what can Venus say to the audience about the people on Sons of Anarchy, about Jax and about Gemma, about all the rest of the boys. Those things just happen naturally and organically, and people open up. You saw that with Gemma and how she first responded to her. By getting to know Venus, she opened up her heart to her. I think that’s just the world over, man. When you stop being fearful, then there’s really nothing to be afraid of. [Laughs] And then let’s move on to talk about s–t that really is important.
We know Venus returns in episode 10. What can you say about that?
There is a conversation that happens that is as poetic and—I will start crying talking about it right now—as beautiful and as real as any conversation that I’ve ever read on paper between two people. What it will ultimately say about Tig, and who he is in the world, and how he deals with Venus and how she deals with him—I think you’re gonna see honesty and a vulnerability that is very rarely explored….What did you think about the video of Venus with the gentleman? [Laughs]
What did you think of Venus and Tig from the newest episode of Sons of Anarchy? Let me know in the comments, but in the meantime check out what Walton had to say about it to TV Guide!
“Tig was in a place where he needed someone he could depend on and he called for the person who understood him better than anyone,” Goggins says. “Tig instigated [the kiss] and I think it was a line that Venus wasn’t willing to cross in Season 5 with him, but their relationship went in a different direction and they became very close friends. And when intimacy is in the room, more often than not, romance follows, no matter who it is. It’s no different for someone in the LGBT community as it is for a heterosexual. That’s what I thought was so inspiring about that for me.”
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Although Goggins admits that Venus was scared at first (“The hesitation was, ‘Oh my God, I have feelings for this guy, and is this really happening? Do I want to cross this line? Because I don’t know if I can stop if I do cross it,'” he says), he says it’s important to understand the bond Tig and Venus share — one that has mostly developed off-screen.
“Wounded people attract wounded people,” Goggins says. “When you have been alone in the world and you find someone who makes you feel less alone in a positive way — regardless if that’s man, a woman or a transgender — that’s the person that you call home. What [creator Kurt Sutter] was able to do was measure it out in significant moments so that you felt the history between these two people and you felt the countless nights they’ve shared a bottle of champagne sitting on Venus’ deck just talking about life. When you have someone who understands your pain and you understand someone else’s pain, that’s what it’s all about.”
And the relationship may not stop there. Goggins will return again in this season’s 10th episode. Can we expect even more intimate moments for Venus and Tig? Whatever happens, it certainly made an impression on Goggins.
“It was the one of the most cathartic, one of the most important things I’ve ever done as an artist in 22 years,” he says. “It was one of those moments that you do this for. It was sublime and what it says about Venus and Tig is as beautiful and poetic as anything I’ve ever seen. You’ll see them in a way you’ve never seen them before.”